HARRY REID: JOE IS NO DEMOCRAT

You know there are many things to dislike about this deal with Lieberman. But you know what, as much as we despise the deal, the Senate Democrats were entitled to do what they wanted. I would have preferred they made their votes public so we can know who to  boycott for donations. This diary is not about the stupdity or cowardice in rewarding lieberman with the chairmanship. This is about how the Democratic senators have been treating Joe and referring to him as a fellow Democrat. And how Democrats have made it tougher for a legitimate Democratic challenger who follows all the rules to beat Lieberman in 2012.

But Harry Reid crossed the line, my friends, when he referred to Joe Lieberman as a democrat. This is not a trivial statement. This is a lot more offensive than merely giving him the chairmanship when we needed him for a majority. That was a practical deal. Calling him a democrat on the heels of a shameless vote is going beyond practicality and actually shunning democratic processes. That is a slap in the face of all the democrats that voted against him the Democratic Primary. WHY HAVE A FUCKING PRIMARY IF YOU AS A PARTY ELDER HAS NO INTENTION OF RESPECTING IT? Lieberman got elected as a senator from CT and he is entitled to it as unsavory as that election was. But once he declined to honor the results of the Democratic Primary, he ceased to be a Democrat no matter who he ended up caucusing with. And there is a difference between a senator striking a deal with Lieberman for practical purposes and Democratic senators actually treating him like he is still a Democratic senator and he had to just overcome an additional hurdle which was something insignificant to them like the will of the Democratic party voters.

My question is this. It is widely known that most of the Democratic Party senators wanted Lieberman to win the general election against Lamont. People like Obama supported Lamont only because they didnt want to risk the wrath of angry democratic voters. If the primary only attracts fringe voters in the minds of these democrats (funny how they dont mind primaries when they are running as aspiring senators), why not scrap primaries when there is a democratic incumbent? Why not nominate challengers to incumbents only if the party elders dictate so and be done with the pretense that primaries mean something.

Making deals with Lieberman to invite him into the caucus doesnt invalidate a primary when you need him for a majority because the status of the inclusion is clearcut. But when you do it needlessly, you are getting closer. And when you make such comments on top of such a questionable move and combine that with behavior by the likes of Bill Clinton on Larry King(doesnt matter if it's lieb or lamont) or other senators giving him standing ovation during the lamont fight(pretty much saying "good ole boy, just find a way to get back here, and nothing will change, fuck the masses"), you definitely have achieved the same result as that of a primary having never taken place.

This is not just the lieberman issue. This is a warning to any Democratic voting block that they dare not fuck with a Democratic incumbent because they will ignore your vote and do whatever it takes to welcome future spoilsport incumbents.



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So much for bipartisan support (none / 0)

The freepers are laughing at us. Comments are making fun of gutless democrats and two faced Lieberman.


by Pravin on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:12:53 PM EST

Re: So much for bipartisan support (2.00 / 1)

THE FREEPERZZZA RE LAUGHING AT USS!  LAUGHING ATTT USSSSOMG


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 03:11:08 AM EST
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Re: The freepers are laughing at us. (none / 0)

 Hell, I'm laughing at us! Doesn't anyone else see the humor in a small bunch of nobodies keyboarding their wrath toward the US Senate? If you aren't laughing, you're NUTS!


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:22:13 PM EST

Re: The freepers are laughing at us. (none / 0)

Laughing at free speech? So I guess you agree politicians are full of shit when they pander to us by saying every vote is important.

You just proved my point.

And it's easy to snark at protest. But this is all we got. Do you suggest I go and punch Reid in the face? There are no other options that exercising our right to express ourselves. The fact that you consider that insignificant shows what you think of blogs. So why do you come to this blog since we are just a bunch of nobodies. Even the front pagers are outraged as we are.


by Pravin on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:58:04 PM EST
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Re: The freepers are laughing at us. (none / 0)

It doesn't matter whether I "consider that insignificant" or not. It either is insignificant or it is significant, and I would argue that Obama has consistently said that he would appoint people to his cabinet that represent differing points of view and not be vindictive or partisan in his political dealings. The outrage over his magnanimity in dealing with LIEberman is wasted effort and makes us look foolish, and is significant only because it exposes our own lack of pragmatism. Is such wasted effort insignificant? Your call.

Ignoring Republicans and punishing Lieberman, ramrodding legislation, being a Democratic 'decider' President, and concentrating on fringe issues first will only give credibility to the specious charges that Democrats are the mirror image of Republicans. Some are, maybe many are, but Obama will not pander to his base.

Has no one been listening for the last 2 years?

I'm on the Obama bandwagon, and that means I don't get to drive. I also don't want to be in a wagon with a bunch of screaming children who insist we stop at every candy store along the way.

We were not elected, and he was not elected only by us, and besides that, he has said repeatedly that he intends to change the tone and be the President of the United States...

I'm fired up. I'm ready to go. And I for one recognize that where we are going (starting early next year) in the hands (more or less) of Obama and his team of rivals.

He has done nothing to justify the crazy outrage of the bloggers. We look ridiculous.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 07:19:11 AM EST
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Re: The freepers are laughing at us. (none / 0)

As I mentioned in another reply, the "deal" itself is not the point of this diary. Yes, I am opposed to that too. But that's already in other diaries.  It is the treatment of Joe not just as an independent guy caucusing with us, but the way he is now being referred to by the Senate leader as a Democrat. Even Joe himself doesn't say he is a Democrat anymore.

This serves as a bad precedent for any Democratic incumbent to thumb his nose at the primary process because not only did Joe get reelected as an independent, he is being treated as a fellow Democrat. He did not earn that title in the last election cycle. To bestow that honor on him is undemocratic when the Democratic Party voters have rejected him and there is evidence he wouldn't even win a General Election at this point, let alone a primary which means a lot of that 33% Democratic minority he got has evaporated.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:36:52 AM EST
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Re: The freepers are laughing at us. (none / 0)

If we look  bad among some tv hosts, it is only because the DEmocratic PArty messaging has been on the defensive instead of the offensive. If a similar thing happened to the Republicans, they would have not been on the defensive. In fact, I remember people admiring Bush for his decisiveness. It's only when his fired people ended up being on the right side of the truth that a backlash begun. Just getting rid of the malcontents wasn't seen as a negative for Bush. (Even Hagel is not comparable as he has been elected as a REpublican, and he hasn't been totally one sided in his bashing of Republicans as Lieberman has been of Democrats).


by Pravin on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:40:04 AM EST
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Oh, please.... (2.00 / 1)

We have a new Dem President coming into office (and he promises to be a hell of a President!) and majorities in both houses.

The Senate Dems, surely influenced by the request of the President-elect, choose to go soft on Lieberman and keep him in the fold, rather than start the Obama years on a note of retribution.

Seems like smart politics to me.


by PhilFR on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:11:14 PM EST

Re: Oh, please.... (1.50 / 2)

But we don't want smart politics dammit!
We want purity!

PURITY!!!!

Because that always does people more good than you know, sound policy and political maneuvering.


Hey guys? You know we won right? You can stop the doooooomsaying now.
by JDF on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:31:09 PM EST
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Yep.... (2.00 / 1)

A heckofa lotta good that's done the Republicans lately, heh?


by PhilFR on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:42:33 PM EST
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Re: Yep.... (2.00 / 1)

LOLz

:-D


Hey guys? You know we won right? You can stop the doooooomsaying now.
by JDF on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:44:50 PM EST
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Re: Oh, please.... (none / 0)

It goes far beyond purity.  Everytime Joe runs his mouth on the Democrats or gets in bed with the Republicans, it makes news, it gives bipartisan creedence to the Republicans.

And, by the way, Joe Lieberman has the blood of American troops on his hands and still refuses to do anything to rectify it.  That alone is reason to give him the boot.


by TheUnknown285 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:41:52 AM EST
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Re: Oh, please.... (none / 0)

Him and a lot of other Democratss; including Hillary Clinton.

Do you want to kick them all out?


Hey guys? You know we won right? You can stop the doooooomsaying now.
by JDF on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:18:03 PM EST
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Re: Oh, please.... (none / 0)

Your comment is not even related to my point. I made it clear that I wasn't addressing the pros and cons of the deal itself. You are free to debate me in other diaries on the deal and the 43-13 vote.

I made it clear that my ire in this diary was the way Harry Reid and others pretty much refer to him as a DEmocrat. He is not once he chose to not abide by the primary results. That is why he was forced to start his own party.

Before the condescending begins, at least take the trouble to read the diary you are responding to.


by Pravin on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 12:01:45 AM EST
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Re: HARRY REID: JOE IS NO DEMOCRAT (none / 0)

Harry Reid, as chairman of the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee in 2006, charged with getting more Democratic Senators elected...

Yes, that Harry Reid, refused to campaign against Republican John Ensign and refused to assist Democrat Jack Carter in his attempt to gain a Democratic Senate seat in Nevada.

Harry Reid is NO DEMOCRAT !

Lousy traitor.


by wblynch on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 05:27:56 PM EST


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